Path of Exile Questions Thread - January 18, 2020 |
- Questions Thread - January 18, 2020
- Mod recruitment for r/pathofexile! Come apply here!
- Seriously, F*** this Mechanic! >:(
- Issues concerning the new Atlas
- Sister Act
- How do you like it?
- Why wasn't [Contains Additional Maps] on T16 Metamorphs fixed? It literally gives you tier 1-5 maps most of the time
- Piety farming to kill economy?
- I think it's a bit too late for that.
- Suggestion: Don't block the buff bar with timers
- Official site's Live Search broke again. 4th day in a row.
- Delve be like
- Metamorphs literally killing me before the animation begins.
- RIP Lvl 99 Guardian 23kES+25kVMS dead in the blink of an eye.
- Can we talk about how well the voice acting is done for all the content in 3.9 especially for sirus
- I thought scams only happened to other people
- This fellow trader accidentally canceled the trade and left, can anyone contact him so we can finish our trade?
- [Overlay] Mappy v1.0 has arrived!
- Does anyone else find making new builds more fun than actually playing?
- [MSC] Oblivion Charm, a quant dex amulet
- Selfcast spellcasting feels like it's hit rock bottom.
- Some ideas for a currency tab overhaul
- [MSC] Mark of the Shaper in both slots
- How I Spent My Mirror in Metamorph
- 1:26:00 Twink Act 10 Kitava Deathless
- first time crafting boots this league :D
- [Luck] 4000 hours and never get a mirror. But a wild Krillson appears while leveling !
Questions Thread - January 18, 2020 Posted: 17 Jan 2020 04:06 PM PST Questions Thread - January 18, 2020 This is a general question thread on January 18, 2020. You can find the previous question threads here. Remember to check the Wiki first. You can also ask questions in the #any-question channel in our official Discord. The idea is for anyone to be able to ask anything related to PoE:
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Mod recruitment for r/pathofexile! Come apply here! Posted: 18 Jan 2020 11:31 AM PST Hi everyone! It's that time again. Just as before, r/pathofexile's population has exploded! Since the last time we recruited mods the sub has grown over 100K, and unsurprisingly our mod team needs some more hands on deck to keep up. General info follows, but for the curious please feel free to ask about the moderation side of r/pathofexile on the pinned comment below. What do Mods do?Our major goal is to minimise the amount of spam and unpleasant behaviour on the subreddit. As a mod, your biggest task will be going through the moderation queue — a list of all threads and comments that have been reported — determining whether the posts break the subreddit's rules, and taking action accordingly. Most of the time this just means deleting the post or approving it, though sometimes the post will warrant a ban or other action, such as messaging a warning. Ideally you would also be able to spend some time browsing /new and removing rule-breaking posts as they come up, especially around patch releases when the sub is at its busiest. Otherwise, required mod duties include responding to user questions and concerns via mod mail (and sometimes other channels), and joining the rest of the mod team in our Discord server to discuss anything moderation related. If you're someone with initiative you can also help with the subreddit settings and tools such as automod/moderation bots, community awards, old reddit css and anything else that you feel may help. But this is not required or expected. Who Are We Looking For?Good mod candidates have most or all of the following core traits:
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Seriously, F*** this Mechanic! >:( Posted: 18 Jan 2020 04:09 AM PST
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Issues concerning the new Atlas Posted: 18 Jan 2020 10:04 AM PST Before I begin, I'd like to clarify that this post is not advocating for us being able to farm one single map infinitely like we could before (even though it's possible with the new Atlas if you know how to), but to simply shed light on the issues the current Atlas and its mechanics have. I will not be trying to provide solutions on this thread as it will be lengthy even without them, and GGG has said in the past that players are good at finding problems, not necessarily finding solutions to them. Some of the issues I'm about to list and explain in this thread are minor and/or to some degree just quality of life improvements, however few of them are major that should be looked at and addressed. So let's start with the three big ones; 1) Permanency of your actions on the Atlas When you complete a map, it is completed in your Atlas and it will stay completed until the end of times. /u/Zizaran forwarded my questions regarding this topic during his interview with Rory and Rhys before the league started regarding cartographer's seals and the answer was pretty much that the goal is that there is no need to uncomplete maps anymore, referring to the possibility of changing tiers of your maps in the Atlas by shuffling the watchstones. To address the argument of GGG wanting to "kill target farming", the placements and tiers of certain very popular maps (be it layout, or divination cards) in the Atlas pretty much prove that to be false. A few example maps that can be target farmed even with fully completed Atlas and AL7 (Awakening Level 7); Tower, Arcade, Wharf, Pier, Jungle Valley, Beach, Waterways and Relic Chambers. GGG has also never said they don't want target farming to be a thing, they have only said that they want fully completed Atlas to be the most optimal way. Current Atlas heavily punishes people for not understanding and planning their Atlas before even completing the first map, however fully completed Atlas is not the most efficient way to do anything. You can sustain T16 maps with less than 100 bonus very easily, which allows one to fully customize their Atlas to only drop one or two T16s they'd like to run. A quick throwback to the time when the Atlas was introduced the first time back in 2.4 - The initial Atlas did not have a way for us to uncomplete maps which meant that by pre-planning your Atlas before completing any maps would result in players be able to min-max their Atlas to drop maps they preferred. This would also mean that if one wanted to change the way they are playing the endgame and using the Atlas, they couldn't, as your actions with completing maps was permanent. I pointed out this flaw in this pastebin that stirred discussion and shortly after GGG responded to these concerns;
While it's a long time ago, I believe the decision to make people not permanently harm their Atlas for whatever they wanted to do with it is the correct approach and sadly the new Atlas has failed with this. I expected GGG to not make the mistake twice, especially after hearing their response during the Ziz interview, so I didn't make a big fuss about it. I did however point the possibility of this becoming a massive issue in my thoughts of the new Atlas (if the timestamp doesn't work, go to 33:03), but was hopeful it wouldn't become an issue. Turns out, it is a big issue, because if you wanted to change the maps you run in the Atlas, you have potentially completely bricked your Atlas by completing certain maps that make it harder to obtain and sustain the maps you'd like to run. I migrated my SSF progress to trade league 9 days in to the league after getting rank 11 AL8 Awakener kill, because I knew I could have my Atlas setup in a way that I could enjoy playing the league for much longer than with full completion, and I would also be more efficient with what I wanted to do with it. For example, I was able to target farm Residences for Dapper Prodigy divination cards early on that you are unable to do if you completed all maps in that region as you'd have too many maps in the same tier with Residence, and my endgame Atlas is planned around 140 completed maps (for Legion zana mod) and to minimize finding T16 maps I don't want. If I didn't care about Legion zana mod, I could permanently run AL7 Crystal Ore and Waterways without ever needing to change watchstones, and I could easily snapshot AL8 by removing 1 watchstone. Currently I'm only missing 5 maps completed from fully finalized setup in SSF, and after that I have 5 T16s that I am happy to run while having permanent AL6 and never finding undesirable maps. Here's how it looks currently and here's my spreadsheet that I used to plan it before restarting. My plans have slightly changed since but it has all the information easily available to figure out what you want to do and what you can do with your Atlas. So, due to completing maps being permanent, if you wanted to do something cool and target some specific maps (such as Burial Chambers), you currently have 2 options;
People felt forced to do "meta shaped Atlas setups" in the past, how does it feel now that you're still doing an inferior Atlas compared to people who are taking full advantage of the Atlas and it's mechanics, but you are literally unable to replicate that even if you wanted without potentially needing a complete new account? I think it's safe to say this is a bad thing and something needs to change with this mechanic. 2) Changing Influence spawn rules Before you spawn Sirus the first time (20 watchstones), you are able to run every single map in an influenced region with influence without ever not having influence in your maps, granted you are not running the same map twice in a row. After you have spawned Sirus the first time, the influence spawn is no longer guaranteed and instead is always based on chance. This means that in a race to 100 (at least in SSF) if you didn't know about this and you spawned Sirus, you basically lost due to not having the extra packsize provided by the permanent influence. In trade league you're able to run AL8 while having every single map influenced due to being able to buy unique watchstones to fill out missing spots in your citadels and be able to generate new influenced items much faster than people who are doing bosses too. Obviously this has the downside of not being able to obtain Awakened Gems or Conqueror's Exalts, but GGG has removed a lot of player agency because once you spawns Sirus the first time, there's no going back if you at some point wanted to just farm maps with influence instead of bossing. Well, unless you make a new account to do that. 3) Removal of downgrade mechanics Before 3.9, if you had no maps of a certain tier available to drop, they would always downgrade to the highest possible map that could drop. For example (using the new Atlas), if we're running T5 Towers while it being the only T5 map in my entire Atlas and I wouldn't have a single T6 or T7 map able to drop due to maps being either higher (or lower), those T6 and T7 maps would downgrade to T5 Tower. In 3.9, this mechanic is entirely removed and replaced with "map drop equity" -type mechanic that we don't really know how it even works. The only reason we know about this is because I was concerned of this being bugged and asked Neon and he shed some light with his response. While this new change makes sense if you only ever wanted to run maps that are T14 or higher, we don't know if this even works the other way (how does the equity accumulate from maps that drop as higher tier instead, like in the T5 Tower example? will they help towards T5 Tower drops, or only towards higher tiers than the map when it was supposed to drop, eg toward T8 and above?) The new system can potentially never benefit (and actually punish) people who don't enjoy running high tier maps. Depending how this "equity" mechanic works, it can actually be harder to sustain a T5 Tower than it is to sustain say, T10 Beach, because you can make T10 Beach be your lowest tier map which could mean that every T1-T9 map that you never saw drop is added as bonus towards your next T10 beach, while with T5 Tower that equity might only apply towards T7/T8 maps and above. Another reason why it is so confusing and unintuitive to players is that some mechanics (such as Metamorph drop map modifiers) ignore your Atlas entirely and some (such as temple map chests) don't. Removal of this mechanic has resulted in probably the most amount of "is this bugged" -type thread regarding Atlas this league when people have been wondering why their temples and delve map chests have not dropped a single map. There is a mention of Abyssal cities having bugged map chests here, however there is no mention of temple map chests or other delve cities at all. And then some minor issues, though issues that should be looked at; 4) Snapshotting of Watchstones and Awakening level A lot of people disliked the micromanagement of sextants and Elder's influence from the old Atlas. Well, depending what you want to do the most efficient way is to actually snapshot Awakening Level and watchstones (because of sextants) every single map. This can mean a lot extra clicking between each map if you're not running T14+ maps with AL8. Players shouldn't be punished by not running maps with AL8 in this way. 5) Unable to fight low tier Conquerors after the first time After you have killed a Conqueror with 0, 1, 2 and 3 watchstone difficulty, you're only ever able to fight them at 4 watchstones from there on. This means you cannot test your new builds towards low to mid tier versions of the Conquerors, unlike you were able to do with Elder and his Guardians before. You can decide the difficulty of your Awakener, why can't you do the same for Conquerors (past just not giving them AL8 for extra life multiplier)? 6) Unable to see progress towards your next Sirus fight A lot of players are thinking their Atlas is bugged due to them not being able to spawn influence. What they often forget (or are not aware of at all) is that once you have encountered Sirus for the first time at 20 watchstones, from here on you will always have a cycle of 4 Conquerors -> Sirus fight, with no repeatable Conquerors during that cycle, so they might be trying to spawn new influence while having their last influence of the cycle before the next Sirus fight. Having a good visual indicator somewhere would help people not have this issue, and sometimes it can be hard to keep track of your cycle because you might log in today and not remember at what stage you were when you last time played. Obviously it is easy to not have this issue by always clearing any remaining influence first, but still. 7) The difficulty and annoyance of finding out where maps belong without shuffling watchstones around in your Atlas Currently, the only way to find where a specific map is located (that is revealed first with watchstones) is by shuffling watchstones in different citadels or by using external sources like spreadsheets or websites. This can be very tedious and annoying to do. 8) Missing quick placement of watchstones We can already CTRL + click watchstones back to the stash from the citadels. Having the option to quickly place watchstones to the tiny citadels without manually finding the small hitbox for it wouldn't solve the issue with unique watchstones, but it would be something at least. 8) Horizon Orbs & Harbinger Orbs While this is already documented as known issue, I'd like to mention it still, that the way Horizon and Harbinger Orbs currently work (they only result in maps that are the base tier, instead of any map of that tier) is not how they are supposed to work based on their old behaviour. There even was a time in the past (think it was at the start of 3.5, can't pinpoint the exact league, sorry) where they worked similiar to how they work now and they were quickly changed. For example, currently any T7 map that is not a Precinct will turn to T7 Precinct, because it's the only map that is T7 at its lowest level. As a result, if you try to use Horizon Orb on a T7 Precicnt it won't do anything. This is not how they are supposed to work, and once they fix the way they work people who have been using Horizon Orbs to help sustain running specific maps of a tier (for example T16 Promenade as there only 3 native T16s) are no longer be able to do that and should they want to continue, they would have to either buy the maps (we all love trading, right?) or create specialized Atlas on a new account (or migrate progression in SSF and start over). 9) Obtaining Vaal Temple T16 Vaal Temple can currently only be obtained naturally (so not through a divination card) by corrupting T15 maps in Valdo's Rest, so either T15 Lighthouse or T15 Overgrown Ruin, because they are in the same region. They had a similiar bug back in 3.5 where the only way to obtaining Vaal Temple was through corrupting the only native T15 map in it's quadrant, T15 Tower. Not only is the same bug a thing again where only maps of it's region work, this time around Vaal Temple can also be obtained through 3-to-1 instead of just corruption. 10) Unable to see completion and missing Awakening Bonus Zana map modifiers are based on completed maps (not bonus) and most importantly 140 completed for Legion map mod. The only way to really find out how many completed maps you have is to either manually calculate all the maps you have completed or substract the grayed (uncompleted maps) from the maximum, 154 maps. On top of that, there is no indication on the map stash for maps that have or don't have awakening bonus, and while you can see the light circle around the map in your Atlas, it can be hard to see when you're only missing few of them and it would be nice to be able to see it in your stash. It is also not shown in the options with Zana's mission. I'd like to end this thread on a positive note though. I've been enjoying the new Atlas despite its problems and I really, really enjoy the way we can move and save sextants for later use, and to easily swap between different (preset) setups that GGG has given us even if it means there's less actual player agency that we have. It's hard to tell how much of the enjoyment is due to the honeymoon we are having with the new Atlas and how I or we would feel next league if there are no changes to the current mechanics, but once the major issues are handled and the QoL additions I believe the new Atlas will be much better than old one. [link] [comments] | ||
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Piety farming to kill economy? Posted: 17 Jan 2020 06:25 PM PST I know this may get downvoted. But it feels like piety farming has made a big change to how the game is played. After an hour or so of piety farming with a 6 man group and rare finder I had 5 uniques and 9 stash tabs full of unidentified ilevel 68 rares. People just don't want to run maps. It's hard to make an arguement against it other than wanting to progress in levels past 81+. You can run a map with a few people and maybe get 1-9 rares out of the whole thing. Or do piety with 5 runners and get 20-30 rares+uniques in 10 minutes. Even if you don't get a good rare you get enough alterations to buy jewlers/fusings. It has also made it difficult to sell "decent" items as everyone wants perfect piety loot, which is close to end game map loot. Now that you can get shav's and Koams off piety it's going to make things worse. [link] [comments] | ||
I think it's a bit too late for that. Posted: 18 Jan 2020 11:35 AM PST
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Suggestion: Don't block the buff bar with timers Posted: 18 Jan 2020 01:38 AM PST
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Official site's Live Search broke again. 4th day in a row. Posted: 18 Jan 2020 05:22 AM PST
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Metamorphs literally killing me before the animation begins. Posted: 17 Jan 2020 06:39 PM PST
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RIP Lvl 99 Guardian 23kES+25kVMS dead in the blink of an eye. Posted: 18 Jan 2020 12:01 PM PST
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Can we talk about how well the voice acting is done for all the content in 3.9 especially for sirus Posted: 17 Jan 2020 11:58 PM PST I mean GGG really nailed it. I cant keep myself from repeating some voice lines in my daily life or answer them in my head (or out loud sometimes) when playing the game. [link] [comments] | ||
I thought scams only happened to other people Posted: 18 Jan 2020 09:16 AM PST I decided to save some money buying Vorici 3W from a safehouse instead of off-coloring my chest armor. I went to trade 820 where I met a fellow named Djamba (account VituArtzz) who said he had 3W for sale for 1ex. Long story short, I traded him my money and my item, he left party and went offline. You can see the album here: https://imgur.com/a/oq7zEHO The guy streams and everything too: https://www.twitch.tv/vituarts He already has the item up for sale and I have low hopes that support will do anything about it. I just want to save other people the trouble of running into people like this in trade 820. I guess he did 3W the item though xD [link] [comments] | ||
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[Overlay] Mappy v1.0 has arrived! Posted: 18 Jan 2020 09:21 AM PST
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Does anyone else find making new builds more fun than actually playing? Posted: 18 Jan 2020 11:24 AM PST Like I'm not even good at making builds, but it's just so damn fun. Even while playing my mind is thinking of new build ideas. And the worst part? I've never even reach Act 3, though I plan to finally finish the story this time. [link] [comments] | ||
[MSC] Oblivion Charm, a quant dex amulet Posted: 18 Jan 2020 07:15 AM PST
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Selfcast spellcasting feels like it's hit rock bottom. Posted: 17 Jan 2020 05:11 PM PST Almost one year ago this was one of the opening lines from the Synthesis balance manifesto "For a number of leagues, the majority of builds that use spells have used proxies like Totems, Traps or Mines to cast skills for them. There has also been a focus on skills that do their work automatically over a long duration." I gravitate to selfcast and strike skills every league because that's what I like to play ( I also hate myself ). I get that some things in games are always going to be weak and some things stronger, that's fine. But a month into Metamorph, the situation with selfcast spells vs. triggered or proxies feels like the worst it's ever been. The selfcast specific gems are underwhelming. Awakened unleash is a wet noodle of a gem with no real teeth. There is no awakened innervate or arcane surge. The anoint for an extra unleash seal is even more awful than having to allocate Tribal Fury as a strike melee player. There's just no effective setup in the game for the playstyle that I can see except maybe pledge of hands / ice nova /fb abuse with a TON of cast speed that feels like it has modern fluidity, durability, and damage of a scuffed meta build. Getting builds out of the dumpster requires MORE investment than the "expensive" CoC/CwC builds for worse performance and still winds up with a playstyle that's kind of clunky for meat and potatoes mapping. I don't have a problem with triggers and proxies and like that they exist in the game. I've played summoners/totems/mines and had fun with them! But these approaches should at least have some clear design space vs. casting the spell directly from your character beyond just being better with even the most modest (10-20ex ) investment. [link] [comments] | ||
Some ideas for a currency tab overhaul Posted: 18 Jan 2020 09:52 AM PST
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[MSC] Mark of the Shaper in both slots Posted: 17 Jan 2020 08:17 PM PST
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How I Spent My Mirror in Metamorph Posted: 18 Jan 2020 12:19 AM PST Got my first ever mirror in 3600 hours in metamorph and here's what I did : Sold mirror for 204ex. Playing Caustic Arrow PF. Bought headhunter. 100EX. Bought 3x Inspired Learnings. 27ex. Bought Div Cards. 30ex. Got 1 Nurse, 1 The Demon, 1 Doctor, 2x Beauty Through Death. Roughly broke even. 30ex back. Bought Ice Shot gear, respecced Deadeye, hated it. 10ex. Respecced Pestilent Strike. 10ex. Single target so good, clear is pretty good when HH is stacked. Somehow have around 40ex left. Buy The Saviour, realise pestilent strike doesnt work with swords, resell it and make 10c profit! Game is so much more fun with currency its annoying as hell. [link] [comments] | ||
1:26:00 Twink Act 10 Kitava Deathless Posted: 17 Jan 2020 07:06 PM PST
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first time crafting boots this league :D Posted: 18 Jan 2020 10:56 AM PST
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[Luck] 4000 hours and never get a mirror. But a wild Krillson appears while leveling ! Posted: 18 Jan 2020 02:03 AM PST
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