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    Path of Exile Questions Thread - May 04, 2021

    Questions Thread - May 04, 2021

    Posted: 03 May 2021 05:00 PM PDT

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    How bad was the Empy exploit compared to the vendor recipe? I counted items so you don't have to.

    Posted: 04 May 2021 03:53 AM PDT

    So, according to Bex 20 players were banned for generating a total of 711764 items (https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n3sike/players_who_used_split_exploit_still_not_baned/gwu80ej/). But what does that mean? I counted around 500 items dropped, to find out the ratio of items dropped to currency items. For every 31 items dropped, I found 1 currency item. Using the old https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/997165 drop table for currency, we can calculate the total expected amount of pure ex drops (a number most of us can understand, since most players have a feeling of how rare a pure ex drop from monsters is). I have in the past checked the accuracy of that old forum post (with nemesis 4 deli maps) and it still checks out.

    Using this data, the total amount of pure ex is around 13 ex. So 0.65 pure ex drops per player. It would have taken 123 times as many item drops to get 1 mirror on average. ofc, more than just ex dropped. I would assume pure ex made up around 25% of the total value (since it was very limited how much the player could pick). That pushes the total amount to around 3 ex per player.

    So, how much money was made with the beast splitting exploit? There have been reports of some players making around 50 mirrors. Can this number be real?

    The average value of the recipe was around 2 ex (they have gone massively up in value and are now worth 4 ex). So, just doing this recipe twice is already more than the total income per person from the empy ban. How many splits could be done? Buying fossils, selling the bases and getting the belts for the recipe should take less than 2 min, so the average would be at least 30 per hour, so 60-120 ex per hour (depending on price of the base). Since this bug was around for 2 weeks, 50 mirrors is very easily possible. 1 Person doing this exploit for just 1 hour would have generated around 2 times as much value as the 20 people using the empy exploit.

    Saying that it's impossible to ban these people is utterly ridiculous. There has to be a log of people using fracture fossils. At least the people doing this hundreds, if not thousands of times should be trivial to find.

    Going forward GGG needs to have clear rules and actually start banning players for exploits. Empy reported the bug instantly and mostly abused it for fun and content. The moment he realised GGG did not like it he stopped. These people knew about an exploit, did not report it for over a week and even downvoted everyone on reddit who tried to raise awareness. They also made around 7500 times as much money. The total economy impact of the split abuse is probably around 5000+ times as large but somehow doesn't warrant bans.

    Edit 1: So, this is blowing up. One of my motivations for making this post was to share how currency drops work in this game. It would be amazing if we could get some more data. I only counted 500 items (since I did not care about good data and was fine with an error margin of 50%). If you want to repeat my experiment, here is what i did. I took a screenshot of a large pile of loot (trialmaster for instance) and started crossing out every non currency drop (scrolls are basic currency, but were not included in the old table, so don't count those). Crossing other drops out in paint makes it much easier to count. Make sure not to include guaranteed currency drops like trial master rewards, only items dropped from monsters. I would be very interested in these findings, since it allows for a lot of interesting math, like estimating total number of monsters killed for a mirror and such.

    Edit 2: Empy confirmed that my estimate was pretty good. The only thing I was not sure about is unique drops, since those massively depend on gear and total rarity modifiers. According to empy I have understimated that part. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n4lf0r/how_bad_was_the_empy_exploit_compared_to_the/gwwijix/

    Edit 3: This thread was mostly meant as information, but since it blew up so much I will give my personal opinion. I think the Empy ban was correct (but pls for the love of god stop harassing him). It is extremely harsh, but I took it as a warning that the wild west days of abuse early, abuse often are over. What grinds my gears (sry) is that GGG is not consistent in punishing this type of behaviour. Either GGG starts implementing harsh punishments for exploits (and the split thing is clearly not intended behaviour and 100% qualifies as an exploit) or comes out with a statement that using exploits is "clever use of game mechanics" and encourages us to use exploits (and like in this case even trying to hide them). What is unacceptable to me is that they only punish abusers that "make them look bad" and use bans as a pr tool instead. I personally hate cheating as it destroys my "pride and accomplishment" and would not use any exploit even if I am told I will not be punished.

    Edit 4: While I don't know how exactly GGG stores data and logs items, we know they are doing so. This is 100% necessary in case of server glitches and huge fuck ups like the fossil stacking bug that actually caused a full server roll back. I remeber back then GGG did have data on how many fossils were deleted. Even if none of that data exists, a log of the trade api would make finding the biggest abusers of this bug possible.

    Edit 5: Since there are some people who are confused what "split exploit" I am referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n325hl/you_can_print_a_lot_of_6linked_weapons_for_almost/

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    Two trialmaster meme

    Posted: 04 May 2021 08:47 AM PDT

    Remember children, don't forget to open your Abyssal Troves!

    Posted: 04 May 2021 09:00 AM PDT

    That's very interesting, Envoy...

    Posted: 04 May 2021 12:01 PM PDT

    Hideout - Try to make a complete painting in Hideout

    Posted: 04 May 2021 01:08 AM PDT

    We require feeding mother

    Posted: 04 May 2021 03:59 AM PDT

    Chanced my first unique...

    Posted: 03 May 2021 04:01 PM PDT

    Risk a 6-link inpulsa's for 5 scourings.

    Posted: 03 May 2021 11:03 PM PDT

    When you make bad decisions but you have a Panicked Life Flask and you panic

    Posted: 04 May 2021 10:32 AM PDT

    You guys are getting trialmasters?

    Posted: 03 May 2021 06:45 PM PDT

    I\ve made a huge mistake. Started an ultimatum while having Cassia nearby

    Posted: 04 May 2021 06:46 AM PDT

    [Item] Vortex Cloak, 876 (886) es Vaal Regalia

    Posted: 04 May 2021 03:04 AM PDT

    thank you GGG for finally fixing harvest, the latest patch really helped

    Posted: 04 May 2021 07:25 AM PDT

    2% chance of trialmaster

    Posted: 04 May 2021 06:04 AM PDT

    Hmm, which replica should I take?

    Posted: 03 May 2021 11:57 PM PDT

    Uh... I guess not?

    Posted: 04 May 2021 09:21 AM PDT

    I was justly banned for exploiting the split vulnerability but

    Posted: 04 May 2021 01:28 PM PDT

    Yesterday my account got permanently locked with reason - "Exploits" https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/sattatrapyhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457248113938137088/839124835271573564/unknown.pngFirst of all, i want to say, i totally understand GGG's recent position about exploit abusingI understand that me and all the rest players that were abusing this bug might had ruined a game for the rest "normal" players. I'm truly sorry.

    My post isn't about that, I wanted to tell the story about what happened, and what was fixed (and what's not) GGG fixed the removal of the split tag from the recipe, but they did not fix the fact that the fracture properties can still be removed with the same recipe.( https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/n325hl/you_can_print_a_lot_of_6linked_weapons_for_almost/ like this recipe) Now, due to this bug, fracture-tags on really expensive bases doesn't make any sense. I believe, that this is a very large exploit for economy right now, and it needs to be corrected ASAP.

    Also i would like to see your opinions about this league's absolutely massive amount of game-breaking bugs I'm glad that GGG are trying to fix all vulnerabilities in short periods of time, but i believe, that community's help is much more efficient than current team of GGG's testers

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    I guess I'm ready to start tackling the Endgame Grinds now

    Posted: 03 May 2021 11:49 PM PDT

    CuteDog_ explains how to play the game in 3.14

    Posted: 03 May 2021 10:25 PM PDT

    The #1 reason I'm dying this league is lag during Ultimatums

    Posted: 03 May 2021 07:03 PM PDT

    It's annoying af. I just got to maps and I'm having a blast, but every other Ultimatum I lag, get one-shot, and die. Anyone have any tips to reduce the lag?

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    Use Bisco's Collar (or any Rampage item) for Ults! You can even switch when the screen is paused!

    Posted: 04 May 2021 12:16 AM PDT

    I feel like Defeat The Trialmaster Conditionally 4 is completely unacceptable.

    Posted: 04 May 2021 06:56 AM PDT

    I am 0-5 on it since attempting this one condition only. I'm not even going to touch on how rare the encounter is, just how silly I find this challenge specifically. 3 of the 5 attempts I killed him while tethered. I don't understand why that just isn't the challenge in it of itself strictly because of how difficult it is to DPS him on 80% of builds while within tether range. On top of all of that your movement has to be SO precise that you can't be within the hearts damage range? (If that's even how it works, I haven't gotten the fail condition while killing him tethered.)

    Does anybody else find this extremely obnoxious?

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    Losing ALL rewards after killing Trial Master because of his attack continuing after his death..

    Posted: 04 May 2021 12:10 AM PDT

    It wasn't a huge loss for me: just 1ex, a 6link, and gilded scarab... But still, why the hell do his attacks continue after he dies? And why should I lose all rewards after I killed him first? I didn't even try to dodge his blood spell thing.... I couldn't imagine GGG designed such a stupid mechanic in which you kill the boss but don't get loot because he can still kill you after he dies.

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    Item Quantity/Rarity search

    Posted: 04 May 2021 08:51 AM PDT

    So recently I was worried about how to search for maps with 60+ quant on maps, was hoping for some regular expression like more or less but this didn't work as I think. Later I find out about regex in stash search so I come with some regex for search Item Quantity.

    "Quantity: (\+[6-9]\d%|\+\d{3,}%)"

    So how it work:

    It's just search for all lines with Item Quantity: and then compare with some simple regex and show all maps with 60+ quant.

    If you want say map with 30+ quant you just change [6-9] to [3-9] like this:

    "Quantity: (\+[3-9]\d%|\+\d{3,}%)"

    And you start searching for 30+ quantity map.

    Also the same way you can search for rarity on map:

    "Rarity: (\+[6-9]\d%|\+\d{3,}%)"

    Line above will find all maps with rarity 60+.

    Might work with some others thing but I was looking just for this 2.

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